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Placing Pins and Tiering Trinkets: A TTYD Badge Tier List

Truly 2017 was a banner year for Paper Mario challenge runs, with the Glitz Pit Discord server surging in popularity and several players popping into the scene.  Discussion of strategies, loadouts, and mechanics of the Paper Mario series has abounded, but the badges, arguably the series’ combat’s defining trait, have always been a particular focal point.  Some badges are loved by all, some ridiculed by all but a few dedicated apologists, and many fall everywhere in-between.

Since stacking badges is what this blog was built on, I’d like to do something a little different here, and exposit my current thoughts on the matter at length, giving my personal ranking of every badge in Paper Mario: TTYD and some justification as to their placements.

To start, I won’t be considering these badges (the “FX-Esque Tier”) in my tier list:


  • The Attack FX badges and W Emblem / L Emblem are merely cosmetic and cost nothing to equip, so they’re obviously a matter of taste (even if W Emblem alone is the clearly supreme stylistic option).
  • Seeing as TTYD gives you many options to optimize strategies to minimize or maximize focus on HP, FP, SP, items, etc.;  HP and FP Plus are an invaluable convenience for adjusting your stats as you see fit, without needing to ever level up anything but Badge Points.  However, as they’re functionally equivalent to level-ups in HP or FP at any given time, they’re not really possible to rank alongside the majority of badges with unique effects.
  • Timing Tutor is useful for building mastery of Stylish Action Commands for a nominal BP cost, and on the other hand, freely skippable if you are well suited to perform them.  An excellently designed badge for beginners with no use (but no downside, other than slightly clogging Charlieton’s inventory) to experts.
  • Double Pain is good for adding extra challenge, and rarely (but occasionally) for manipulating Mario’s HP value.  No major positives, but it’s free BP-wise and is really only meant to be an extra challenge.
  • Finally, Slow Go is obviously meant as a joke, nothing more.  Only shame is that it’s not hidden somewhere needlessly cryptic like its predecessor in Paper Mario.

As for the rest of the badges, I initially grouped them roughly into four categories – well above average, above average, below average, and well below average usefulness.  I then tweaked their scores slightly, adding more granularity, and comparing badges with similar niches against each other.  Eventually, I ended up with a fairly balanced seven-tiered setup – Tiers F, E, D, C, B, A, and S.

Coincidentally, the higher and lower tiers ended up being clearly delineated by the middle tier (Tier C).  Most of the ones in that tier are decently generally usable badges with modestly useful effects, whereas ones above it (S/A/B) are much more frequently usable and/or heavily useful, and ones below it (D/E/F) are only usable in special cases (and often less useful even in those cases).

Of note, I generally didn’t consider stacking more badges than are naturally obtainable in the game (assuming only one of each available badge – and no Power Rushes – are bought from Pianta Parlor).

Without further ado, here are the tiers from bottom to top (badges in each tier ordered alphabetically):



Generally badges I’d never dream of using seriously in a battle.

  • Bump Attack is really placed this low largely out of spite; it’s undeniably of some use by the time you get it, but that’s really a symptom of going through the Pit leaving you unfortunately overleveled.  Furthermore, it makes a very unsatisfying reward while in the Pit, especially considering the difficulty jump between the floors 61-79 and floors 81-99.  Arguably, First Attack is just as usable anyway for much less BP (and badge setup churn), and is available from the shop about as early as it’d be usable.
  • Chill Out is useful for dodging a very few enemies’ First Strikes (basically just Z-Yuxes and maybe Chain Chomps / Moon Clefts), and being in Dazzle’s shop with many useful badges as alternatives doesn’t do it any favors.
  • Head Rattle is a big missed opportunity. Confusion is a very fun status, but it only targeting the frontmost grounded enemy limits its use considerably.  Not only are you taking out most of that enemy’s potential weaponization in dealing damage to it, but you’re then unable to use a number of moves afterward (including all Hammer moves save for Hammer Throw) without doing further damage to it.
  • HP Drain and HP Drain P are massively nerfed from the former’s Paper Mario incarnation; dropping attack power by 1 in exchange for at most 1 HP restoration per turn is virtually never worth it when there’s so many other ways to mitigate damage.
  • Peekaboo is a waste of both BP and Star Pieces.  Experienced players should have enemy HP values memorized and keep track of them, whereas inexperienced players already have access to Goombella’s Tattle for the exact same information.  Knowing Koops’ Shell Shield is the only unique benefit it provides, and that is questionably useful at best.
  • Pity Flower is not the worst badge in concept, but unless you’re sponging a good deal of low-damage hits on Mario specifically, the 1 FP you’ll regain 30% of the time is not worth the HP you lose.  If the FP restoration was guaranteed, or the amount restored was tied to the damage taken, it could see a bit more use, but otherwise it’s filler for Pre-Hooktail Pit Bonetail setups at best.
  • Return Postage is of minimal use for much the same reason, on top of being a somewhat lackluster reward for defeating the Pit.  At least it’s highly salable (not that that is likely to be a concern after a Pit run anyway).
  • Simplifier‘s hit to Star Power regeneration far outweighs its use for easier Action Commands in general.  It is useful for scouting in the Pit of 100 Trials as it makes the run-away meter much easier to fill.  It’s also debatably useful for getting an extra bounce or two out of Power Bounce, but rarely does the difference between 8 and 9 hits equal night and day (and if you have good timing you’ll end up capping at the same point on bosses anyway).
  • Tornado Jump‘s tornadoes do fixed damage (depending on the number of badges equipped), and doesn’t do enough ancillary damage to aerial enemies (which are rare in the first place) to be worth it over a battle item, or Fiery Jinx, or Earth Tremor, or what-have-you.  It is useful for clearing out Mini-*-Yuxes or Grodus Xes, but that’s about it.

    E TIER


Badges I find occasionally worth considering (or consistently in specific cases, but with relatively small effect).

  • All of the P badges (Defend Plus P, Feeling Fine P, Happy Heart P, HP Plus P, P-Down D-Up P) are in this tier for pretty much the same reason; partners are generally tanky enough on the whole that it’s not worth the BP to make them safer. Not really a lot to say beyond that.
  • Hammer Throw is outclassed in nearly every situation it could be potentially useful.  Swoopers are just as easily hit with Earth Tremor or Quake Hammer, as well as some partner attacks.  Spiky Parabuzzies have far too much DEF for it to be viable.  For virtually everything else, a standard Jump or Hammer will suffice.  It can theoretically have a niche against airborne Ruff or Ice Puffs, but I’ve yet to be in a situation where there wasn’t some reasonably inexpensive alternative.
  • Lucky Start‘s effects are too short-lived, underwhelming and unpredictable to be worth the BP it costs.  It can be used to farm HP/FP by repeatedly running away if you really hate your “A” button (and Sweet Treat).  It’s particularly unusable if planning to use Danger strats, given the chance of getting the HP-Regen status.
  • Refund doesn’t yield all that much salvage since it rounds 75% of the item cost down rather than up (as in Paper Mario).  Nonetheless it can be a decent fill-out badge if you have a spare BP and a packed inventory.
  • Soft Stomp is reasonably useful (though not 100% reliable) on some very late-game bosses, but certainly not indispensable.



Mostly badges that fairly typically get use, but aren’t all that useful, or are very useful in a very limited set of use cases.

  • Charge and Charge P pretty much never see use outside of boss battles, and quickly fall on the massive-overkill side if they are used flippantly, essentially adding 2 damage per hit per charge in the turn their charge is expended for negligible FP (and you’ll have plenty of multi-hit options from early in the game).  Arguably these could be placed in a higher tier on those grounds, but they’re really nearly wholly unnecessary considering the existence of power / Danger badges, Power Punch, and Power Lift.
  • Damage Dodge P is generally a bit more useful than the rest of the defensive partner badges, since it’s cheap to equip, available early, and combining it with the Defend command offers a lot of control over partner HP values.  It won’t do any good against some late-game bosses due to piercing attacks, though.
  • First Attack isn’t quite as convenient as Spin Attack from Paper Mario, but it isn’t as inconvenient to get or equip as Bump Attack, and its effect is appreciated when backtracking through previous chapters’ areas, especially in completionist playthroughs.
  • Hammerman‘s extra point of power comes at the expense of Mario’s generally more versatile and powerful Jump moveset.  Could be more useful depending on your preference of partner strategy and HP/FP consumption.
  • Ice Power is completely invaluable against one family of enemies and completely pointless outside of them.
  • Ice Smash‘s status ailment can be devastating if it works, but the Frozen status doesn’t last too long without two copies, and there aren’t a lot of targets that it can hit and work reliably on that can’t be dealt with more easily in other ways. Clock Out is generally a far better choice for reliability, or Sleepy Stomp / Sheep for turn count.
  • Money Money is too expensive and appears too late in the game to be as useful as it should be, but it can be useful for farming extra Pianta badges or recipe ingredients for a completionist playthrough nonetheless.
  • Pretty Lucky P can be useful for mitigating partner health loss in the long term, or bolstering their evasion rate in Danger, but isn’t generally as useful as Heart Finder for the former purpose.  Can be helpful or actively harmful if it activates against moves that hit the front and back player-controlled actors in sequence if they’re in front, as Mario will be forced to perform the last defensive action taken (including a miss) even if it would be undesirable.
  • Shrink Stomp can be fairly useful on the handful of bosses it works on, and perhaps particularly tough enemies, depending on the player’s preference. However, Mini-Egg has the same chance of working and gives you multiple attempts, so it’s almost always a better option.
  • Super Appeal P can help make the most of an unspent or otherwise-unspendable partner turn, but only one copy appears naturally, and by the time you have it, the extra 0.25 SP units restored aren’t of much consequence.
  • Unsimplifier is sometimes effective in boosting SP restoration, but makes a handful of moves, as well as Superguarding, a much less viable option due to the increased difficulty of their Action Commands.



Also the middle tier, and now we’re definitely in the realm of generally useful badges.

  • Defend Plus is a solid, obvious, but slightly BP-expensive way to mitigate damage. Particularly useful against fast multi-hit attacks like Magnus 2.0’s audience launcher and the like, and particularly useless against some very late-game bosses with mostly piercing attacks.
  • Double Dip and Double Dip P are incredibly versatile tools, particularly for efficiently strategizing boss battles. Their FP cost (especially with Triple Dip) is fairly high, but that can be mostly mitigated by using at least one FP restoration item.  Late-game this can remove the need for Charge badges entirely, and earlier in the game it allows setup with Power Punch, Point Swap, Trial Stew, etc. in combination with recipe items to hit pretty much any stat breakdown you want.  Their biggest drawback is being located fairly late in the Pit and in the main story.
  • Happy Heart is a decent filler badge for picking up occasional extra health in long battles (for instance, in Pre-Hooktail Pit), particularly if you prioritize heavier-hitting in-battle badges to the Finder badges.  Their effect is negligible in comparison to a Slow Shroom if you can afford the inventory space (and detour to the Deepdown Depot), though.
  • P-Down D-Up is the only defensive badge (alongside its partner variant) to work against piercing attacks – including all stage effects and enemy items – which can be a game-changer against a number of enemies if you can afford the loss of attack power (or the badges to offset it).
  • Piercing Blow is invaluable for Pre-Hooktail Pit runs against anything highly defensive and immune to fire (particularly Chain Chomps and Moon Clefts), or as a low-FP alternative even if Fire Drive does work.  It is generally overshadowed by Earth Tremor, Quake Hammer, or various item / partner attacks, and is equivalent to or worse than Power Smash for enemies with 2 or less defense.
  • Power Jump and Power Smash are the go-to very-early game options for dealing a lot of damage in a single blow, and remain effective for that purpose during the entire game if you have the FP to spare for a double- or triple-stacked version of the move.  They fall behind the upgraded boots’ Jump moves quickly on low-DEF enemies, though.
  • Spike Shield makes Spiky Parabuzzies tremendously easier to deal with, as well as allowing you to use Jump’s often superior firepower (and Jumpman) against lower-defense spiky foes.  It also makes Bristles approachable, though Quake Hammer is plenty effective at neutering them on its own.  Plus, there are spiky enemies it’s not terribly effective at dealing with (notably Clefts).
  • Super Appeal is nice for quickly regenerating Star Power, particularly early in the game or when stacked.  It’s particularly nice for dealing with Dull Bones audience against Bonetail, as it guarantees a 1.00 SP fill-up in no more than two Mario Appeals (and often one Mario and one partner Appeal).
  • Zap Tap completely blocks leeching attacks, and is a good failsafe in Pre-Hooktail Pit, particularly for direct attackers that would be otherwise impossible to kill if you’re inconsistent at Superguarding them.  It also has an edge-case use in allowing you to use contact attacks on enemies with the Electric status (not charged Puffs, though).



Getting into the upper tiers. These badges are generally fairly potent and usable a sizable amount of the time.

  • Close Call P is a great, very inexpensive safety net for Danger/Peril partner strats, activating nearly a third of the time (or over half the time with both copies).  It’s not the best way of ensuring their safety, though.
  • Damage Dodge is another inexpensive defensive boost if you’re not opting to Superguard everything to oblivion, and a fantastic tool for targeting specific HP amounts with Mario.  Naturally, still it’s of no use against piercing attacks.
  • Feeling Fine is far more useful on Mario than his partner, removing the need to worry about nearly all potent status effects (Freeze being the notable exception), and freeing you to go for Superguards on nearly anything.  It’s only available very late in the game, but it’d be most particularly useful on late-game bosses anyway.
  • Flower Finder‘s 1-3 guaranteed FP drops per battle are fantastic at maintaining high FP across multiple field battles.
  • Heart Finder is useful for the same reason, and is unique (as opposed to Happy Heart / Lucky Start) in being able to restore HP to Mario and his partner at once.  Being able to choose when and whether to pick up each individual drop also means being able to target specific HP values for Mario or specific partners, so you can keep partners in Danger or Peril as desired. Furthermore, it can uniquely (aside from items) bring 0-HP partners back to life in a Peril (or Danger) state.
  • Item Hog is useful for the fairly substantial increased chance of held and random items dropping, but perhaps better for the ~5% chance of a Dried Shroom dropping from a battle with no enemy held items, allowing for resuscitating a 0-HP partner to Peril.
  • Last Stand P is useful for targeting partner Peril, and more generally for allowing partners an additional attack or two after reaching Danger status.  Unlike Paper Mario‘s Last Stand, it (and the Mario variant) takes effect last in damage calculation and rounds up, so it won’t outright prevent damage unless none would have been taken before it factors in.
  • Mega Rush is obviously incredibly potent in dealing damage, but it’s relatively risky to attempt maintaining it through enemy attacking turns.  It’s at its best if you can manipulate Mario’s HP and use it to finish out a boss battle.
  • Lucky Day isn’t quite as cost-efficient as Pretty Lucky (and nowhere near as much as Close Call if in Danger), but without farming extra evasion badges it’s still a decent evasion boost.  Where it obviously shines is in Pre-Hooktail Pit runs, substantially lowering the average damage taken on floors 91-99 and against Bonetail.
  • Multibounce is useful for grounding multiple winged enemies in a single turn, or dealing modest damage to all enemies in a set for minimal cost (or more than modest, with sufficiently increased attack power).  Also likely the go-to cheese badge for unambitious Danger Mario “strategists”.
  • Quake Hammer, despite a none-too-flattering fixed damage and FP cost compared to Paper Mario‘s array of similar badges, is nonetheless especially effective against a set of high-DEF enemies, particularly if they’re flippable and/or immune to fire (Beetles, Bristles, Clefts, Chomps, Koopatrols).  It can still be decently potent in general with sufficiently increased attack power, but there are likely better options.
  • Sleepy Stomp is unparalleled for taking a single enemy out of commission for an extended period of time.   It’s available very early in the game, and particularly indispensable for Pre-Hooktail Pit runs.  Typically loses out to Clock Out for general utility later in the game.



These are generally incredibly potent at their best or very solid general choices.

  • FP Drain is an incredibly underrated badge.  For a single BP and at the cost of a single point of attack power, it effectively acts as a Flower Saver that works on any of Mario’s attacks that deal damage, even 0- or 1-FP moves, so long as you can foot that extra point in advance.  The lost attack power is very easily recuperated in late-game, given the many cheap attack power-raising options that exist.
  • Happy Flower is similar in appeal to Happy Heart, without the potential to screw up HP targeting if you’re planning to employ Danger / Peril strats.  Again, Gradual Syrup blows its inflow out of the water if you can afford to carry one (or two, if you have both Mario and his partner both use one).
  • Last Stand is great as a last gasp to survive an additional attack or two, similarly to Last Stand P, though again not nearly as potent as Paper Mario‘s equivalent.
  • P-Up D-Down is the cheapest way to get extra attack power without cutting off strategic attacking options (Jump / Hammer moves or intentional missed Action Commands), at the expense of taking an additional point of damage from everything, including piercing attacks.  Naturally, that downside can be mitigated with extra defensive setup, evasion, exploiting enemy AI, or Superguarding, or even be exploited to reach Danger/Peril earlier.
  • Power Plus and Power Plus P are the most BP-hungry and blunt way to raise your attacking power, but are nonetheless effective and generally not too expensive to be worth considering.
  • Power Rush P is doubtlessly useful, but is really the “poor man’s” Mega Rush P, as keeping partners in Danger is barely easier than keeping them in Peril for substantially lower gain.  The extra damage on top of Mega Rush P can be useful in theory, but is often unnecessary, especially with the existence of non-badge sources of increased attack power.
  • Pretty Lucky is a fairly useful badge for filler (particularly with two equipped), or in conjunction with stronger evasion badges.  It often isn’t advantageous in cases where you need to deal damage to direct attackers with counterattacks or Zap Tap, as Sweet Treat should often be sufficient on its own to mitigate the lost health from failed Superguards if your partner Appeals.
  • Quick Change‘s primary function is to preserve a partner’s status (be that Peril health, or Charge / other positive status effects) indefinitely by switching to another partner before the enemies’ attacking turns.  Aside from that, there aren’t many compelling use cases for it, and it has a steep BP and Star Piece cost to boot.  It’s not all that necessary for partner Peril strats in Pre-Hooktail runs either, unless you have extra restrictions (such as a speedrun or low-Mario health run).

And finally,



The best of the best; unmatched in utility and/or viability.

  • All or Nothing is a cheaper Power Plus with virtually no downside; you lose only the ability to strategically omit Action Commands (or the damage from the last, unsuccessful jump in a Power Bounce).  Obviously it is not a good choice if you’re not solid on Mario’s Action Commands in general, but most of them are fairly straightforward and easy to land, even with Unsimplifiers equipped.  Its only flaw is its only being obtainable terribly late in the game.
  • Close Call is a cheap and effective safety net when Mario is in Danger, particularly when stacked in duplicate (~55.1% misses), or in duplicate with the other evasion badges (upward of 70% misses).  Adding Last Stand(s) to the mix can allow near impenetrablility of Mario’s defenses in Danger, for a measly handful of BP.  Both natural copies are available very early in the game, and they can be farmed (albeit not terribly effectively) basically at the start of the game as well, if you want to truly overkill your evasion.
  • Fire Drive is nearly always a viable attacking option for non-aerial enemies, and is absolutely indispensable (daresay, the linchpin) in Pre-Hooktail Pit runs.  In addition to doing massive damage early-game, it can inflict the burn status on pretty much anything that isn’t immune to fire attacks, dealing ancillary damage and completely confounding lingering Dark / Elite Wizzerds.  Stacking both copies is virtually never a good idea, by comparison; the boost in attack power is negligible for the whopping 10 FP and 3 extra BP cost.
  • Flower Saver is the single most generally useful badge in the game, for my money; it is available incredibly early in the game via Dazzle, and there is virtually no time (especially after obtaining Spin Jump) that bringing Mario’s 2-FP moves to 1-FP is not useful.  The second badge can be useful as well, bringing Quake Hammer and Power Bounce to 1 FP and Fire Drive to a modest 3.  Combined with FP Drain and/or Gradual Syrup(s), nearly all of Mario’s moveset, natural and badge alike, can become virtually free.
  • Flower Saver P isn’t quite as mind-blowingly useful as the Mario variant, but it brings down the cost of several key moves (notably Power Shell, and all of Goombella’s and Yoshi’s moves) substantially, especially if worn in duplicate.
  • Jumpman‘s extra point of power comes at the cost of his defense-piercing, harder-hitting, and multi-target hammer moveset, but given most Jump moves have at least 2 hits, it raises damage dealt by at least 2 points for a negligible BP cost.  Star Powers and partner attacks can fill the void of multi-target and piercing attacks, and additional power-increasing badges (or Power Jump) fill the more-damaging niche of the Hammer reasonably well.
  • Mega Rush P makes Pre-Hooktail Pit runs considerably less daunting (though it is by no means essential).  Using it with Heart Finder works wonders at maintaining partner Peril across multiple field battles, whereas Quick Change often makes it near-impossible to lose the status within a single battle.  In conjunction with Goombella’s Multibonk or most of Yoshi’s attacking moves, it is arguably the most broken badge in the game.
  • P-Up D-Down P, in particular if stacked via Elite X-Naut farming, is essentially equivalent to having permanent Danger / Peril partner strats.  Even a single copy paired with Power Plus(es) P turns partners into destructive powerhouses, at a relatively nominal cost to defense for an Ultra-Ranked partner.
  • Power Bounce can, as expected, take advantage of Mario’s slightly wider array of attack-power raising options than partners to blast through pretty much any foe.  It’s also (arguably more sportingly) useful for tackling annoying enemies in Pre-Hooktail Runs as soon as possible, often in conjunction (for high-HP enemies) or parallel (for multiple moderate-HP enemies) with Goombella’s Multibonk.
  • Power Rush is a cheap and a safe option (compared to Mega Rush) to maintain raised damage output in repetitive field battles, as well as an easier and safer damage boost than Mega Rush to target from initially max HP in a boss battle.  Obviously stacking multiple copies from the Pianta Parlor, and/or using it in conjunction with perma-5 HP Mario, makes it the most boringly broken badge in the game, but it doesn’t deserve all the stigma it gets for that if it’s used creatively.

With that, this is my complete Paper Mario: TTYD badge tier list as it currently stands, in a single image for brevity:


Feel free to discuss your opinions on the matter (and no doubt lambast my disservice to Quick Change such-and-such badge) in the Glitz Pit Discord server or my own personal Discord server, Club Jdaster64; I’m generally around both frequently, and there’s plenty of Paper Mario series discussion to go around.  If you’re interested in this sort of qualitative discussion of Paper Mario mechanics in addition to my usual technical fare, Kappy (organizer of the Glitz Pit and Paper Mario wizard) has a blog for this sort of stuff that you can check out here.

Of course, if you’d like my take specifically on more stuff like this, feel free to shout out suggestions for similar topics in the comments here, or on my Discord server.  Might be worth pooling together some of the top challenge runners’ minds to form a “Paper Mario Back Room” badge tier list in the future, or something; who knows.


The Trick Is To Not Get Hit – Evasion Badges in TTYD

So luck badges.  Years ago I tried doing research into the likelihood of Close Call, Pretty Lucky, and Lucky Day causing enemies to miss Mario in TTYD, taking thousands of samples for each, and summarized the badges’ effects among a bunch of others in my Badge Hunting + Stacking series.  Then after getting back into TTYD assembly reverse-engineering in the wake of the Palace Skip discovery last year (at that point having 2+ years actual software engineering experience), I found the exact rates of the badges, updated that post, and left it at that.

But for the 4 years since that initial post (and 5+ years since the initial statistical research), I took for granted that given evasion rates for each badge, it would be obvious how those ought to be combined into one evasion rate when stacked or combined.  Subsequent recent experience with a larger community of Paper Mario players has shown that not to be the case, so let’s do a deeper dive, shall we?

Brief note – all of the principles in this post could be applied to the evasion badges in the original Paper Mario as well, except the miss probabilities are a bit different (10/101 for Pretty Lucky, 20/101 for Lucky Day, and 30/101 for Close Call).  And there aren’t multiple copies of each to stack, obviously.

Calculating Evasion Rate (Independent vs. Disjoint Probability)

The crux of the issue comes down to badges’ evasion chances being independent of one another, and the fact that the math involved with that is un-intuitive compared to just adding disjoint probabilities together.

Illustrated here is a representation of what disjoint treatment of badges would look like, and the independent probabilities they actually have (assuming you have one Pretty Lucky, one Lucky Day, and one Close Call badge on in TTYD):luck-example

That’s a lot to take in, so let me elaborate in text form.

If badges represented disjoint probabilities of being missed, then you would just sum their evasion rates to get the total evasion rate; i.e. PL+LD+CC = 10 + 25 + 33% would be 68%, and the odds of getting hit would be 32%.

In actuality, though, evasion is calculated by multiplying the indepedent probabilities of the badge resulting in a hit; i.e. PL+LD+CC = 0.90 * 0.75 * 0.67 = 0.45225 = 45.225% chance of hit, or 54.775% chance of a miss.

This extends to multiple badges of the same type; i.e. each Pretty Lucky multiplies your chance of getting hit by 90%, every Lucky Day by 75%, and every Close Call by 67%; i.e. your total evasion rate is:

1 – (1 – 0.10)PL * (1 – 0.25)LD * (1 – 0.33)CC

But which of the evasion badges is the best?

(hint: it’s Close Call.)

So that settles the question of how badge evasion is calculated, but how do you compare the effectiveness of each of the three evasion badges, particularly Pretty Lucky and Lucky Day?  You cannot divide the rates by their BP cost to get an idea of “evasion per BP”, since that’d essentially be falling back on the incorrect disjoint-probability model.

Instead, since you already multiply the probabilities of badges together, you need to see what number needs to be multiplied by itself N times to produce the proper hit rate for an N-BP badge.  Thankfully, math has a helpful name for that concept, the radical / Nth root, but we can do one better and use logarithms to convert all the messy multiplication (for multiplying the effects from each of the types of badges), exponentiation (for getting the term for a number of a specific badge), and radicals (for getting the effect per BP) into much nicer addition, multiplication, and division respectively.

So, let’s take and compare the log base 0.5 of each of the badges’ hit probabilities, then (i.e. how many times you would have to multiply 0.5 by itself to get the hit rate).  The choice of 0.5 is admittedly arbitrary, but this way we can compare it to something meaningful; Repel Capes / Dodgy Fog (or enemy Dizziness) cause a 50% chance of evasion.

Badge Hit Rate log0.5(Hit Rate)
Pretty Lucky 0.90 0.152
Lucky Day 0.75 0.415
Close Call 0.67 0.578

This gives us some concrete insight into the badges’ real relative worth; Pretty Lucky is 15.2% of the effect of a Repel Cape, Lucky Day is 41.5%, and Close Call about 57.8%.  But we can do one better, and divide the log-transformed rates by the BP cost to compare the badges’ worth per BP.

Badge Hit Rate log0.5(Hit Rate) log0.5(Hit Rate) ÷ BP Cost
Pretty Lucky 0.90 0.152 0.076
Lucky Day 0.75 0.415 0.059
Close Call 0.67 0.578 0.578

Yikes, no contest now; Pretty Lucky is a good deal better than Lucky Day per BP (7.6% of a Repel Cape per BP vs. 5.9%), and Close Call destroys them both.

The Power of Math!

Rephrasing the effects of the badges this way means we have another way of representing overall evasion:

1 – (0.5)(0.152 * PL + 0.415 * LD + 0.578 * CC)

While not perhaps easier to calculate this way, it does make one fact perhaps more obvious; that being, there’s no way to get 100% evasion, as no matter how high the exponent gets, nothing will make 0.5N equal 0.

Except, technically that’s not actually true; since all RNG calls for badge evasion happen back-to-back, and Paper Mario: TTYD has a finite number of RNG states, technically it could be possible to wear enough badges that there’s no string of consecutive RNG states that do not result in at least one “miss”.

If using just Close Calls, this is actually possible to achieve at 52 badges; using the formula about 0.5(0.578 * 52) = 0.5(30.0) = about a 1/1,000,000,000 chance, but in fact no successive run of 52 out of the 4,294,967,294 RNG states produces all non-misses.  Not practical in purpose, as a “mere” 17 badges already results in a miss 999 out of 1,000 times, but interesting as a curiosity.

The Mega-Comparison Chart of Awesomeness

Rather than grab a calculator every time you want to get the exact evasion rate for an arbitrary combination of badges, here’s a helpful chart that compares the evasion rate for various combinations of 1-3 Pretty Luckys, 1 Lucky Day, and 1-3 Close Calls:


You can extrapolate past the end of the chart by imagining more copies of the bars at the top added to the end, bearing in mind that adding another span of the marked length halves the hit rate.  (Of course, as a rule of thumb, if you’re bothering to badge hunt for more than 2 Close Calls, you’re probably going to get missed often enough (70%+) that you don’t really need to care about exactness.)

Hopefully this doesn’t end up being more confusing than the original blurb in the badges article, but I’ve said my piece at this point. Close Call master race!

’00s Mario RPGs’ Item Drops: Weights? Rates? Let me Elucidate…

Random enemy item drops have long been a focus of my Mario-RPG stat-gathering and what-not – there’s just something satisfying about getting extra items or missable equipment when it’s not guaranteed, and I always thought it’d be nice to know the odds.

Well, over time, I’ve gotten proficient enough in memory hacking and assembly to be able to interpret the routines and/or RNG calls responsible for item drops in the first three Mario & Luigi and Paper Mario games (since those are the ones that I’m the most experienced with, and whose systems have widely-accessible emulation), and the ways they represent the possible item drops in data form, and then use that data to determine what items to drop and when, vary wildly from game to game.  Hence, I’ll go into detail in how it works for each of these six games (links to the actual drop data will be at the end of the post).

Paper Mario (64)

This is the Mario RPG I’d been curious about drops for the longest, and somewhat ironically, it took me the longest of these six to find out anything concrete about how item drops are determined; these findings here are the first I’ve gathered on the matter.

Let’s take a look at Pleasant Path Koopa Troopas’ item drop list, since they’re one of the first to be able to drop multiple types of items:

Global Rate Item 1 Weight 1 Item 2 Weight 2
5 Mushroom 3 Koopa Leaf 7

This means that 5%* of battles against enemy sets led by a Koopa Troopa will drop an item, and of those items, Mushrooms and Koopa Leaves appear with frequency 3 and 7, respectively (30% and 70% of the time there is a drop, or 1.5% and 3.5% including the overall drop chance).

* Note: As alluded to in my Power Bounce article, Paper Mario 64’s RNG is weird in that it generates numbers from 0 to N inclusive (ergo, N+1 different values) when called with rand(N), meaning there are a lot of cases where there’s one extra value than intended. This is no exception, so the global drop rate is actually 5 out of 101, and though I haven’t checked, it’s possible that the weights between different items might get slightly messed up as well (probably giving the last item +1 weight, if so).

Also of note, both Paper Mario and Paper Mario: TTYD’s drop tables are assigned by encounter, not by enemy type, so it’s possible I missed a couple more battles where the drop tables are different the ones listed for the enemy type.

Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door

I’ve already gone over this at length in a previous article, but I might as well have it here too for completeness’s sake. While most enemies only have one or two possible drops in PM64 (aside from a few weird ones like Shy Guys that have up to five), a good number of enemies in TTYD have up to five items + three badges that can be dropped.

Here’s a sample drop table (take a guess what enemy’s, at this point):

Item Hold Weight Random-Drop Weight
None 200 300
Super Shroom 10 10
Maple Syrup 0 10
Thunder Bolt 10 10
Point Swap 0 15
Fright Mask 0 10
Happy Flower 0 2
Flower Saver 0 1
Flower Saver P 0 1

Notably, all enemies have the same “None” weights, normal items’ weights are either 5, 10, 15, or 20, and badges’ are 1 or 2.

The hold weights are used to determine whether an enemy will hold an item/badge in battle (or have Ms. Mowz steal an item/badge, if they are holding nothing).  For example, in this case, the enemy will hold a Super Shroom 10/(200+10+10) = 10/220 = 4.54% of the time.

For drops, there are three possible scenarios; the game will either try to drop a held item, a random drop item, or nothing.  The relative probabilities of these cases are as follows:

Held Drop Random Drop No Drop
Normal battle 1 1 2
Normal battle (N Item Hog badges equipped) 1+N 1+N 2
Pit of 100 Trials battle 1 1 3
Pit battle (N Item Hog badges equipped) 1+N 1+N 3

If the held drop case is selected, then one of the items the enemies were holding in battle is dropped at random (items used by enemies are considered, but not ones stolen by Ms. Mowz).  If no enemies were holding items, nothing will be dropped, unless Item Hog badges are equipped; then there is a 50% chance one of a set of items will be dropped:


If the random drop case is selected, a random drop is selected from the front enemy’s random drop column, weighted accordingly.  For example, the chance of a Flower Saver being chosen is 1/(300+10+10+10+15+10+2+1+1) = 1/358.  Given there being such a high weight for no random item, in addition to having to have the random drop case selected in the first place (a 1/3 chance with an Item Hog, or 2/7 with an Item Hog in the Pit of 100 Trials), getting any random drop is pretty rare, especially badge drops.

Super Paper Mario

Compared to the wealth of complication in TTYD’s system, SPM’s is much more straightforward; essentially the same as the original Paper Mario’s.

Here’s the drop data for a normal Goomba:

Global Drop Rate 4%
Item Name Weight
Dried Shroom 100
Cake Mix 100
Big Egg 100
Honey Jar 100
Shroom Shake 200
Catch Card 50

Pretty straightforward.  Notably, poison-inducing enemies often have 100% global item drop rates (as might be pretty evident when playing the game).  Doesn’t mean you can’t get unlucky in a pinch and get a Catch Card, though.

Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga

Unlike the Paper Mario series, M&L games have been pretty consistent about the pools of items enemies have to draw from from the very beginning – at most one standard drop, one rare drop, and every enemy in a battle can independently drop one of its items. Superstar Saga is a bit of an oddball in how it handles those two drops, though.

Here’s Bob-omb’s data, for an example:

Normal Item Weight Rare Item Weight
Nuts 6 Red Pepper 10

Uniquely to the series, only the “normal” item can drop under normal circumstances, and the chance of it dropping is just the normal item’s weight out of 31 (yes, 31; they only had five bits to spare, I guess).  So Bob-ombs drop Nuts about 19.3% of the time.

If you equip the Gameboy Horror SP accessory, then you always receive the Rare Item if the enemy has one, no matter what the weight is (even 0, which does happen; Troopeas in the US version have Super Nuts as a 0-weight Rare Drop).

Swing Bros. Advance is where it gets interesting; here, and only here, are both items treated as weighted item drops.  In Bob-ombs’ case, then, you’ll get Nuts 6/16 (37.5%) of the time, and Red Peppers 10/16 (62.5% of the time).  Note that Woo Beans cannot be stolen in this way, but their weight does contribute (so Tanoombas with their “Woo Bean, 20 / Green Pepper / 10” table only drop Green Peppers a third of the time, and nothing the other two-thirds), and there’s no way to get an item with a 0 weight.

Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time / Bowser’s Inside Story

Only recently did I discover how these rates are actually calculated, but it’s consistent between these two games (and possibly later games in the series as well, but I have no experience with their data).

Here’s Shroob Rex’s pair of items:

Normal Item Global Item Rate Rare Item Rare Item Rate
Mix Flower 15 100-Point Pants 15

Until recently I’d been interpreting these as each having a 15% chance, since nothing in Partners in Time had more than a 50 for either (although some enemies in Bowser’s Inside Story did, leading to confusion on my part about enemies whose “rates” summed to over 100, but no further research).

As it turns out, though, the numbers are misleadingly ordered in the data; it turns out this means that Shroob Rexes drop an item 15% of the time, and 15% of those items are 100-Point Pants (thus meaning 12.75% / 2.25% overall rates for the items, respectively).  Equipping the Treasure Badge skips the first check entirely when the enemy is defeated by a Bros. Item, meaning 85% of Rexes drop Mix Flowers, and 15% drop 100-Point Pants.

I don’t offhand know exactly how the Item Gloves work in BIS, but I imagine it might cap some enemies’ global drop rate so as not to get an item every attack from bosses (though notably, likely not Shroobs‘); might be worth looking into in the future.

Item Drop Data Resources:

Paper Mario (64)
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Super Paper Mario (data reverse-engineered / extracted by aldelaro5)

Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga
Mario & Luigi: Partners in Time
Mario & Luigi: Bowser’s Inside Story

That’s all for this post, stay tuned soon (hopefully) for an in-depth look at evasion badges in Paper Mario: TTYD.  In the meantime, join my Discord server if you have suggestions for other mechanics you’d like to see get a deeper dive, or just want to chat Paper Mario or what-have-you.

Power Bounce Caps: Not Quite Infinity+1

If like me, you were a casual fan of Paper Mario 64 back in the day, you might have wondered why you were able to get a ton of Power Bounces on enemies normally, but always crumbled under pressure when trying to use them against a boss. Well, this’ll probably come to no surprise if you’re into the speedrunning / TAS-ing scene now, but it turns out that in both Paper Mario 64 and TTYD, there are hard limits to how many times you can Power Bounce in a row, especially on bosses.  Let’s dive into how those are determined!

Also for completion, I’ll give the frame windows for how long you have to execute the Action Command each bounce, since they do get tighter on the later bounces.

Paper Mario 64

Though not that technically complex, the way the cap is determined in Paper Mario 64 is… well, rather indirect.  Where you end up getting capped also tends to have pretty heavy variance, with most of the caps being early on, but with an arbitrarily long tail.

Each enemy/boss has a single value that gets fed into the calculation, with a max of 100 (Goombas, Fuzzies, Shy Guy, et al.), and a minimum of 50 (Final Bowser, prior to the Twink battle), which I’ll call the Cap Multiplier, or Cap% for short.

A value in memory (I’ll call it the “bounce chance”, or BC) is set to 200 on the first bounce, and for every subsequent bounce, this value is multiplied by the Cap%, then divided by 100, and rounded down to the nearest integer. For example, if Cap% is 50, the BC will take on values of 200, 100, 50, 25, 12, 6, 3, 1, and then 0 for all subsequent jumps.  On each bounce, a random number from 0 to 100 (inclusive) is generated; if that number is higher than the current BC value, then no more jumps will be possible afterwards.

This will almost always be the limiting factor of a Power Bounce on anything with a Cap% < 100, since the timing windows are fairly lenient, giving you 7 frames at 30fps for the first bounce, and 1 frame fewer each subsequent bounce until it hits a minimum of 2 frames at 30fps (2/30 seconds) on the sixth bounce, totally reasonable compared to TTYD’s 3/60-second Superguards or SMRPG’s 2/60-second Super Jumps.

Curiously, not only does Dodge Master increase the timing windows for later bounces to a downright ridiculously forgiving minimum (5 frames, or 1/6 of a second; as generous as TTYD’s jump / normal guard commands with THREE Simplifier badges), it also makes your Power Bounces get capped later!  The badge adds 7 to the enemy’s Cap%, making the values take longer to get small. For instance, a 50-Cap% enemy’s BC goes from the above values to 200, 114, 64, 36, 20, 11, 6, 3, 1, 0.

What do all these values mean practically though? Well, here’s a chart of the chance of getting capped upon reaching each of the first 10 bounces (“Cap Likelihood”), as well as the number of expected attempts to get to that number of bounces (“Expected Attempts”), for an enemy with a Cap% of 70 (typical for chapter bosses; only Hallway / Final Bowsers have worse), with and without Dodge Master.

Jump # 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
w/o Dodge Master BC 200 140 98 68 47 32 22 15 10 7
Cap Likelihood 0% 0% 2.0% 31.7% 52.5% 67.3% 77.2% 84.2% 89.1% 92.1%
Expected Attempts 1 1 1 1.4 3.1 9.6 42.2 267 2447 30,903
Timing 7/30s 6/30s 5/30s 4/30s 3/30s 2/30s 2/30s 2/30s 2/30s 2/30s
With Dodge Master BC 200 154 118 90 69 53 40 30 23 17
Cap Likelihood 0% 0% 0% 9.9% 30.7% 46.5% 59.4% 69.3% 76.2% 82.2%
Expected Attempts 1 1 1 1.1 1.6 2.9 7.3 24 101 568
Timing 7/30s 7/30s 7/30s 7/30s 6/30s 5/30s 5/30s 5/30s 5/30s 5/30s

Interestingly, given that the bounces are only capped if the generated number is higher than the current BC, but not if it’s equal, it is technically possible to get arbitrarily many bounces (up to the global cap of 101) even for the worst Cap%, so long as the random number generated is always 0.  For example, getting a 13-cap without Dodge Master on Tutankoopa (or another 70-Cap% boss) is a 1/1,000,000,000 chance.  And yet, it’s possible. (Lua scripting FTW!)

Here’s a spreadsheet of the Cap Multipliers and “Expected Attempts” for the first 30 bounces for every enemy / boss in the game.

EDIT (2017-11-16): As a side note, wearing Dodge Master does not change the cap multiplier or frame window for Goombario’s Multibonk move.  Otherwise, the logic for it is exactly the same as Power Bounce.

Paper Mario: TTYD

Compared to Paper Mario 64, TTYD’s approach is remarkably simple. Each enemy/boss has a “soft cap” N. For the first N-1 jumps, you can’t get capped. For the next N (bounces N through 2N-1) you have a 67% chance of getting capped each bounce (bounces N through 2N-1), and you will be forcibly capped on bounce 2N.  Practically all enemies have a soft cap of 9,999 (e.g. effectively infinite), and bosses’ soft caps range from 5-9, much better than Paper Mario 64’s potential (and on Bowser, likely) 3-caps.

Unlike PM64, Simplifier and Unsimplifier badges do not change the cap counts or likelihood of being capped; however, that does lead to the disadvantage of TTYD’s Power Bounce – no matter how which badges you’re wearing, eventually the timing window on the bounce gets down to a single frame at 60fps, which is basically impossible to keep up for more than a few bounces.

Here’s a table of the timing windows for any number of Simplifiers / Unsimplifiers, in 1/60-second frames:

Bounces 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11+
3 Unsimplifiers 5 4 3 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2 Unsimplifiers 6 5 4 3 2 1 1 1 1 1 1
1 Unsimplifier 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 1 1 1 1
Normal 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 1 1 1
1 Simplifier 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 1 1
2 Simplifiers 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 4 3 2 1
3 Simplifiers 10 10 10 10 10 9 8 7 6 5 1

You can find the soft-caps for each enemy in my recently-updated PM2 Stat Guide (listed as “PB Cap”).

That pretty much covers this little-known / understood balance feature! Really, I don’t think TTYD’s cap is accomplishing all that much when you’re forced to perform frame-perfect jumps from the eighth bounce onward, but ehh…

Paper Mario TTYD Stats! (The Sequel)

The new, improved Paper Mario stat sheet is here, now with heart / flower drops, item drops and drop rates, and much more!

Download the new stat spreadsheet here: Link

Explanations of the various stats in the sheet:

  • HP, ATK, DEF – Self-explanatory; based on tattle information (except in cases where it is obviously wrong like Red Spiky Buzzies).
  • EXP Level, EXP Bonus – Determine the amount of Star Points an enemy rewards. If it has a higher level than Mario, it awards (M * (EXP Level – Mario Level) + EXP Bonus) Star Points, rounded down, where M = 0.5 normally, 0.55 if there were three enemies at the start of the battle, 0.65 if there were four, and 0.75 if there were five. If its level is equal to or lower than Mario’s, it awards 0 Star Points regardless of its Bonus value.
  • Coin Base, Coin Bonus, Coin Ex% – Determine the coins an enemy drops after defeat; they drop the Base amout by default, and every additional Bonus coin has an Ex% chance of dropping.
  • HP / FP Drops – Determine the maximum number of hearts or flowers the front enemy in a battle can drop (see the link above for more details).
  • Item / Badge Drops – The items / badges an enemy can hold in-battle or randomly drop after battle, and their hold / drop weights (relative frequency of being held or dropped, with “nothing” having a hold weight of 200 and drop weight of 300). See this post for how to convert these into the absolute chance of an item drop.
  • Status Susceptibility – The likelihood of the enemy being subjected to various status ailments:
    • Sleep – Chance of being put to sleep.
    • Stop – Chance of being immobilized by a Stopwatch (Clock Out has a x1.27 multiplier to this if fully charged).
    • Dizzy – Chance of being made dizzy.
    • Confuse – Chance of being confused.
    • Burn – Chance of being burned. Is always 0 or 100+.
    • Freeze – Chance of being frozen.
    • Shrink – Chance of being shrunk.
    • Soft – Chance of being softened.
    • Fright – Chance of running away from a Fright Mask.
    • Gale – Chance of being blown away by Gale Force. Note that there is an additional factor based on the player and enemy’s relative level; for instance, a level 22 player against a Hyper Goomba (level 15) has an additional 22-15 = 7% chance of inducing the effect (assuming the chance was non-zero to begin with), and a level 10 player would have a 10-15 = -5% chance subtracted from the base chance.
    • OHKO – Chances of being defeated by Showstopper.
    • PB Cap – The “soft cap” for Power Bounce / Multibonk; i.e. the first bounce to have a 67% chance of ending the attack. The attack is forced to end at twice this number of bounces. If this value is not present, the soft cap is 9,999, which is basically infinite.
    • Dark Koopatrols seem to have a 100% susceptibility to all effects when flipped; I don’t think this applies to any other enemies, so it’s worth noting as a weird exception.

The only notable omission, which I may add at a later time, is that some Glitzville enemies have different item drop sets than their non-Glitzville counterparts; you can find those in my GameFAQs item drop guide.

That pretty much wraps up my new coverage of TTYD stuff; hope this is a good reference for aspiring badge hunters, Pre-Hooktail runners, or whomever else!

Paper Mario TTYD: To the Victors Go the Spoils

Well, this article’s been a long time coming.

For as fleshed-out as the Thousand-Year Door’s battle system is, it’s perhaps no surprise that its battle rewards are as hard to predict as they are various. So in this post, I’ll endeavor to explain exactly how the amounts of every battle reward are determined, one by one. I know my old enemy stats guide is a little out-of-date on some of the variables that go into these calculations, so I’ll probably be updating that in the very near future.

Let’s start with the most straightforward:

Coin Drops

Whereas Paper Mario 64’s enemies each had a fixed number of coins to drop, plus some extras for the enemy in front, in TTYD, each enemy drops coins in the exact same way.

Every enemy has three variables that go into coin drop calculation: a Base amount, a Bonus amount, and an Extra Coin Drop Rate (Ex%). The drop amount starts at the Base, and each Bonus coin has an independent, Ex% chance of dropping. For example, here’s an example of how Amazy Dayzee’s (Base 5, Bonus 5, and Ex% 70) coin drops might be calculated (the number under each bonus coin is a randomly generated number from 0 to 99, and has to be less than the Ex% for its coin to be dropped):


After all the coin drops are determined, the total count is multiplied by the number of Money Money badges equipped + 1. At the end of the day, the maximum number of dropped coins is 32.

HP / FP Drops

Back in my Paper Mario 64 days, these precious hearts and flowers were the most desirable of drops (to be supplanted by badges in the sequel). Though it was far from a guarantee, it always seemed to me that taking damage, or using a ton of FP in-battle would slightly increase the amount of HP and FP I earned. Turns out in TTYD, this isn’t at all far from the truth, and in fact, it’s much simpler than that – the chances of HP / FP drops are directly tied to Mario’s current percentage of his max HP / FP:

Current HP/FP Percentage Overall HP Drop Rate Individual HP Drop Rate Overall FP Drop Rate Individual FP Drop Rate
Up to 20% 70% 50% 40% 40%
Up to 30% 60% 50% 40% 40%
Up to 50% 50% 40% 40% 40%
Up to 80% 40% 40% 40% 40%
More than 80% 30% 30% 30% 40%

So say that Mario ends a battle with 3 / 10 HP and 6 / 10 FP:

  • First, the game checks to see if any HP should drop at all (60% chance);
  • If it does, then the game checks M times to see if it should drop a single heart (50% each).
  • Next, the game checks to see if any FP should drop at all (40% chance);
  • If it does, then the game checks N times to see if it should drop a single flower (40% each)…

where M and N are determined by the type of enemy leading the battle, and can range from 2 to 6. For example, most early-game enemies have (2,2), Spiky Parabuzzies have (4, 2), X-Nauts PhD have (2, 4), and Elite Wizzerds have a whopping (5, 5). Needless to say, those constants will be in the next version of my TTYD enemy stats guide.

After those HP / FP drops are determined, if Mario has any Heart Finder badges on, the game adds some random additional heart drops – 1 to 3 of them if one badge, or 1 to N+3 of them if more than one. Likewise, Flower Finder will grant equivalent bonus FP drops. Both heart and flower drops cap at 32 apiece, just like coins. (Although you’d have to have a ridiculous number of Finder badges to exceed that!)

And now for the main event:

Item / Badge Drops

Back in 2011, I uploaded a guide to GameFAQs that contains the drop tables of every enemy in the game. Although these tables had some numbers alongside them, I could only proffer some vague speculation as to how those translated into their actual drop rates. Fast-forward to April 2016 and the discovery of Palace Skip; I finally had an excuse to get my hands dirty in assembly code again, and I successfully figured out everything that goes into these calculations! Here’s the dirt…

Item Hold Chances

The first thing to find out is how likely enemies are to hold items in battle, since those are observably a ton more likely than random drops. For the rest of this section, we’ll look at Crazee Dayzee’s drops as an example (for no particular reason, other than 900 failed attempts at getting a Flower Saver drop…)


These are all the items Crazee Dayzees can hold / drop, with their respective hold / drop weights. Anything without a hold weight indicated actually has a hold weight of 0.

Upon determining an enemy’s held item, it basically chooses between all the options at their respective weights, with an additional weight of 200 for no item at all. Practically, this means that the chance of a particular item being held is its hold weight divided by (200 + the sum of all items’ hold weights). For example, a Super Shroom has a 10 / (200 + 10 + 10) = 1/22 chance of being held by a Crazee Dayzee.

This same function is used when determining what item Ms. Mowz steals from an enemy with no held item, only with her stealing a coin in the case of no item being chosen, rather than nothing. (Notably, if she would normally steal an item / badge, but Mario’s item / badge inventory is full, she misses the enemy rather than stealing a coin.)

All held items being determined, here’s what happens at the end of a battle:

Drop Type Determination

There are three things that can happen at the end of a battle – the game can try to roll for a random item from the front enemy (henceforth, “random drop”), drop an enemy’s held item (“held drop”), or drop nothing at all. The chances of these events happening are weighted as follows:


If Mario has Item Hog badges equipped, this adds an additional “weight” per badge equipped to the random and held drop cases:

…and so forth. As the number of Item Hog badges increases, the chances of the Random / Held drop cases approach 50%; however, their effect visibly has pretty sharply diminishing returns after the first couple of badges.

EDIT (2017-09-06): The 25%/25%/50% (1:1:2) weights are true for most battles in the game, but apparently battles in the Pit of 100 Trials use a 20%/20%/60% (1:1:3) weighting instead, making item drops overall less likely.  Think of that as adding an additional bar to the “None” stack, if you like.

Here’s a breakdown of what happens in each of these cases:

Random Drop

So you’re lucky enough to get a shot at a random item drop! Don’t celebrate just yet though, because the odds are stacked further against you. Similarly to the formula for determining held item chances, the chance of an item being randomly dropped is its drop weight divided by (300(!) + the sum of all items’ drop weights).

For example, the chance of a Crazee Dayzee dropping a Point Swap would be a none-too-great 15 / (300 + 10 + 10 + 10 + 15 + 10 + 2 + 1 + 1) = 15/359 ≈ 1/24, and the chance of a Flower Saver drop is a mere 1/359!  Taking into account the 25% chance of getting the “Random Drop” case to begin with (or 33.3% with an Item Hog badge), that chance plummets to an abysmal 1/1,436! (or 1/1,077 with an Item Hog.) Blech…

To reiterate, only the front enemy in a battle can drop items this way, so unfortunately you won’t be getting any Amazy Dayzee random drops.

Held Drop

Things are far brighter for this case; you simply get one of the items that were held by the enemies at the start of the battle (excluding ones you stole with Kiss Thief, you monster). If there aren’t any items to be dropped this way, you’re out of luck. However, if that’s the case when you have at least one Item Hog badge equipped, you have a 50% chance of picking up one of the following items at random:


Yes, Dried Shrooms are three times as likely to drop; in fact, factoring in the chance of the “Held Drop” case being chosen, with one Item Hog, your total chances of getting a Dried Shroom from a battle with no enemy held items are a none-too-shabby 33.3% * 50% * 30% = 5%. Rejoice in that, Mega-Rush-P-using Pre-Hooktail-Pit-Runners!

No Drop

You don’t get an item drop in this case. Thought that’d be self-explanatory…

Final Thoughts

And finally, that wraps everything up! Again, I’m hoping to compile all the drop tables, HP / FP drops, and existing enemy stat info into a single doc in the near future. In the meantime, enjoy your well-earned rewards (and revel in your RNG fortune if you manage to get any of the rarer badges!)

Oh, one more note about item / badge drops; if you scare all the enemies in a battle away with Fright Masks, items can still be dropped in the same way as always. This could be potentially useful for enemies with really high susceptibility to Fright (e.g. Dayzees – 100%!) Who knows?

Paper Mario TTYD: No Holds Barred

Hey, long time with no updates, but I’m back, bearing more Paper Mario: TTYD badgey goodness! Before getting to the real skinny (actual drop / hold rates, rather than baseless speculation), I thought I’d do a short bit on messing around with enemies’ held items.

Interestingly, even though the enemies’ drop tables prevent too many weird / useless held and dropped items, the game actually has a failsafe to prevent enemies from holding anything but one of these 32 items, using internal item IDs 0x80 – 0xA0 (128 – 160):


Astute readers might have noticed that’s actually a range of 33 IDs rather than 32; the one in that range that isn’t allowed is “Trade Off”, a dummied-out item that raises the EXP of enemies. Some of the items that are allowed seem a bit odd; enemies have no use for the FP-restoring items, and they don’t seem to be programmed to use the Hot Dog, or the unused Cake item (restores 10 HP) either. Still, they are completely capable of holding these items in-battle:


Also notably, this list does exclude some in-battle items that one might consider “normal”, but for usually understandable reasons:

  • Point Swap: Can’t have enemies swapping their HP with nonexistent FP, after all.
  • Fright Mask: Although it would be humorous if enemies could force Mario to run away from battle, I can imagine why this doesn’t work.
  • Mystery?: Not really sure, as I never used this item much myself. Maybe some of the effects wouldn’t work properly on enemies.
  • Spite Pouch: Interestingly, this one is programmed into some enemies’ drop tables, but cannot in fact be held.  I suspect this is because the Counter status was never programmed properly for some enemies / attacks; more on that later…
  • Gold Bars: Yeah, you wish.

Weirdly, unlike items, not only is there nothing preventing enemies from holding arbitrary badges, a good number of them that can’t normally be held do in fact work, at least to some extent:

  • All or Nothing: Gives the enemy +1 Attack (apparently they know about Timed Hits!)
  • Feeling Fine: Works as advertised. Presumably not used since Mario wouldn’t have any use for a second one.
  • Zap Tap: Same deal. Rather obnoxious to deal with, too.
  • Lucky Day: Works, rather unsurprisingly. Pretty Lucky is objectively better anyway, though…
  • Double Pain: Works, and is in fact stackable. Yeesh.
  • Happy Flower, Pity Flower: Shows visible FP gain, though it doesn’t seem to do anything.
  • HP Drain, FP Drain: These don’t really work; they do lower the enemy’s Attack by 1, though.
  • Lucky Start: Humorously, works exactly as it does for Mario:



(Not so lucky in that case, bud…)

Finally, Return Postage does grant the Counter status, but with some… interesting side effects for some moves…





If you want to see some of these crazy badges in action, check out MilesLuigi’s video of most of the effects!

Tune in again soon, where I detail how to calculate item drop rates exactly, as well as explaining the rest of after-battle rewards in depth!